A couple of new studies, conducted by researchers at The George Institute for Global Health at the University of Sydney in Australia are saying they can find no links between joint pain and weather-related occurrences, according to livescience.com.

Older citizens have been saying for years that pain in their joints will let them know when it is about to rain.  The new research seems to debunk that, but it is not likely those who believe will be convinced.

In the first study, which first came out in December of last year, researchers evaluated data from a period of four years, involving more than 1,000 adults that were suffering from pain in their lower backs.  Each of the participants complained of back pain in recent days, but had not experienced the pain for at least a month prior to then.

The researchers took that information and compared it to the weather data for the same period, the patient’s pain-free period, but could find no links between the onset of the pain, and a number of weather-related conditions.

The second study, also first published in December, evaluated the data from 350 patients suffering from arthritis in their knees.  This study involved asking the patients to rate their pain levels on a scale of 1-10, and asked them to report their ratings every 10 days, and to note any severe pain during the three-month survey.

This set of research was also compared to weather data for the same period, but again, the data found no link between pain flare-ups, denoted by an increase of 2 or more points on the rating scale, and any of the weather conditions.

Weather conditions that were checked against the data included precipitation, air pressure, wind speed and humidity.

The findings reinforced a previous study done in 2014 that also found no links between back pain and the weather conditions, that was criticized in social media by those who insist their pain is weather related.

Not everyone is convinced by the new research, even in the scientific community.  Dr. Robert Shmerling, the clinical chief of the division of rheumatology at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, told Live Science, “Despite these studies, it is not possible to say that there is no link, especially given how much people report that for them there is a strong link.”

“It is nearly impossible to ‘prove a negative’ — there is always a possibility that a particular weather feature does affect a particular type of arthritis in a particular set of people — but so far we haven’t figured out if that’s the case,” added Schmerling.

Granny may also be hard to convince.

The research from the first study was published in the journal Pain Medicine, and the findings from the second can be found in the journal Osteoarthritis and Cartilage.